We investigate the pressing down game and its relation to the Banach Mazur game. In particular we show: consistently, there is a nowhere precipitous normal ideal I on \documentclass[12pt]{minimal} \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage{wasysym} \usepackage{amsfonts} \usepackage{amssymb} \usepackage{amsbsy} \usepackage{mathrsfs} \usepackage{upgreek} \setlength{\oddsidemargin}{-69pt} \begin{document}$${\aleph_2}$$\end{document} such that player nonempty wins the pressing down game of length \documentclass[12pt]{minimal} \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage{wasysym} \usepackage{amsfonts} \usepackage{amssymb} \usepackage{amsbsy} \usepackage{mathrsfs} \usepackage{upgreek} \setlength{\oddsidemargin}{-69pt} \begin{document}$${\aleph_1}$$\end{document} on I even if player empty starts.

We prove that it is consistent that there exists a saturated tail club guessing ideal on ω1 which is not a restriction of the non-stationary ideal. Two proofs are presented. The first one uses a new forcing axiom whose consistency can be proved from a supercompact cardinal. The resulting model can satisfy either CH or 20=2. The second one is a direct proof from a Woodin cardinal, which gives a witnessing model with CH.

We consider a question of T. Jech and K. Prikry that asks if the existence of a precipitous filter implies the existence of a normal precipitous filter. The aim of this paper is to improve a result of Gitik (Israel J Math, 175:191–219, 2010) and to show that measurable cardinals of a higher order rather than just measurable cardinals are necessary in order to have a model with a precipitous filter but without a normal one.